Comic 241 - ちゅうだんたん

29th Jan 2012, 12:00 AM in What Could Have Been
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ちゅうだんたん

Looking at pictures of cats with opinions tends to occupy the best part of my day.

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31st Jan 2012, 6:59 AM
snowyowl
Hello Hiatus-Tan, nice to meet you.

Discussion point: My favourite character in the comic up to this point is Bob, for having interests besides being awesome and the only character who gets a normal result on the International Standardised Mary-Sue Test which I have just made up right now.

I mention this because, apart from Trope-Tan who stands head and shoulders above the rest and Bob who sits head and shoulders below the rest while sulking in the corner, everyone seems to have roughly the same interests, the same taste in popular culture, and be permanently in the same state of warm, fuzzy ^_^ sort of mood. Really, guys, you're in the middle of a Zelda-inspired post-apocalypse, the force holding your entire universe together has been killed and replaced with a hyperactive time traveller, and you are responsible for recovering artefacts of great power that are tied in some nebulous way to the safety of the multiverse. This is not the time to discuss the Discworld timeline, fascinating as it is.

... wow, sorry, I just needed to get that out of my system. Thanks for reading,

A retort?

9th Apr 2012, 7:08 PM
I disagree.
It is the perfect time to discuss it.
Keeps away the angst:fictional angst is always bad.
Unless its funny.
Because I can't think of a word for not funny angst.
Closer to wangst maybe?
Whiny angst?

Anyway, I can agree that some of the charecters are a bit similar.
But they are different in what they experience by a significant amount!
I imagine many works have their charecters very distinct personality wise
But when they do stuff they all do it together.
This comic does not have that problem.

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12th Apr 2012, 6:49 PM
To clarify
I obviously know that that Is a subjective thing.
I just meant I personally dislike it when charecters whine about how bad they have it, or when the story whines for them.
Just a personal preference.

13th Apr 2012, 7:47 PM
snowyowl
Oh, you can definitely have too much angst, and I have no patience for those who confuse good storytelling with being "dark" and "dramatic" all the time. True drama requires moments of quiet and relaxation, to allow the tension to build.

But the characters here have no angst at all! They are completely one-dimensional, and spend more time double-checking the Haruhi Suzumiya timeline than saving the world. There's no character development, no hidden depths. No credible villain, even, since the only person we've actually met who could ever have been called evil is Xavius.

And even that wouldn't matter if the comic were funnier. Go the Bob And George / Red Dwarf route, have a plot that makes no sense but hold the comic together with industrial-grade wackiness. And if I had to guess, I'd say that's what 00Davo is/was trying to do. But Bob and George still takes its strength from interaction between the characters. Megaman being stupid while Protoman tries to get him under control is the quintessential example. Red Dwarf does it too, since four of the five/six main characters have a diagnosable mental illness, and the other one cuts his toenails with his teeth.

The characters do have distinct *powers*, sure. Jane's a wizard and has a natural skill with time paradoxes, Fred can sneak and fight like nobody, and Trope-Tan can deus ex machina herself out of any situation. And I appreciate that. But if the comic isn't about the plot then that doesn't matter as much.

Re:

14th Apr 2012, 5:56 PM
I don't think having an evil charecter or villain is necessary.
Eg 1/0(warning: much of it could be interpreted as the author saying that there is obviously a god, so if that makes you not like it then stuff. The charecters call him out on it and he apologizes though)
(the entire premise is the forth wall)
I would say that currently this story has a larger thing to deal with than what 1/0 had for most of its run.
(they still have to close that plot hole and investigate the file for trope tan, unless I missed the resolution of those)
Aren't they currently through the portal right now?
So the next thing is probably about

Checking who put the file there
And/or
The charecters epsilon and such.
Might be interesting to see how they look in this new art style.
Might be funny if they don't get the memo about the art style shift and look like they did before.
The not fitting- ness (word?) would be humourous and would possibly allow for easier introduction of said charecters.
After which their art style would shift to the current one.

Trying to think of what epsilon would be like...
They would... Do things related to small things?

Wait.
Your claim of deficit of action
Plus trope tan
When in doubt have a man come through the door with a gun in his hand?

Figuratively of course.
Though there ARE a lot of DOORS in that hallway.(provided I remember, not currently looking at comic)
(why haven't they opened any?)

The fourth wall still isn't on the pedestal!

Any way trope tan could be temporarily nerfed?
Don't want us no BoringInvincebleHeroes
Are the rocks so heavy the author cannot lift them still around?
Can trope tan lift them?

I acknowledge that the charecters could use a bit more depth,
Reluctantly.
One problem with that is how to add depth now ?
Just suddenly giving them a charecter trait would seem ooc.
(unless lampshades)

There might be a problem with one of the protagonists being omnipotent
Unless they choose not to use it for reasons or are restricted in some way.
Maybe if they went to a realm where their control was less, due to it being influenced by another author of another series.

They could go questing through different fictions or parodies collecting pieces of a color drop.
Due to being in another work, trope tan's powers would be limited to exactly how much was optimal for the plot.

Seems like a ok plan to me, but it's obviously not entirely accurate.

Also some might think jumping from fiction to fiction is overdone, but I think staying in each for an amount of time would fix that.

19th Apr 2012, 5:23 PM
snowyowl
I'm not going to respond to all of that, but there is a very easy way to change a character's personality, or the perception thereof, during the story. It's called "character development".

oh yeah

2nd May 2012, 10:14 AM
oh yeah.
forgot about that.
(this post is entirely a joke
It has no real value)

Havr I mentioned?

12th Apr 2012, 6:51 PM
Have i mentioned That I really like this web comic ?

26th Jul 2012, 9:50 AM
...are you kidding me? this is the current comic? Stop it, Hiatus-tan, PLEASE.

13th Jan 2013, 6:55 AM
Hiatus-san....please stop? Maybe on 29 Jan 2013.

2nd Feb 2013, 10:08 AM
Its dead

8th Jun 2013, 10:47 AM

Permalinks:

Transcript:

Trope-tan: Come on, Hiatus-tan. You were meant to show up in the previous comic.
Hiatus-tan: Eh. Later.
I am busy looking at pictures of cats with opinions.

Trope-tan: But I put in the lightning effect and everything. Please?
Hiatus-tan: Ugh. *Fine*.

Hiatus-tan: Why did you not reveal my identity last comic?
Trope-tan: To accommodate audience speculation. Duh.

Hiatus-tan: Hi.
Bob: Oh you are freaking kidding me.
The comic has a personification of *not being updated* now.
Hiatus-tan: Yes. Problem?

Bob: I think this was already rather well-established, but just to emphasise the point:
I. Hate. This. Comic.
Fred: Funny. That's almost exactly the reaction most readers have to it.
Jane: What a bizarre coincidence.

Wikipe-tan: The history of the clacks network was detailed in *Going Postal*: specifically, the concept was devised by *Robert Dearheart*[1].
Xavius: But didn't *The Fifth Elephant* suggest that the clacks system had existed for centuries?
Wikipe-tan: True, it did[2]. That is arguably justified by time's being shattered in *Thief of Time*[3].
Trope-tan: Right, so now Hiatus-tan is here, we can… get on… with… um.

Trope-tan: H-hi, Wikipe-tan.
Wikipe-tan: Greetings… again[4]?
In any case, that generalised justification could be considered acceptable.

Xavius: It bothers me that every single *Discworld* flaw is explained simply by "the History Monks did it".
Wikipe-tan: This explanation is ingrained into the setting in a way some have described as "highly effective"[5], however.
Xavius: Oh, quite. 'tis an excellently executed technique indeed.
Wikipe-tan: May I quote you on that?

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